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Bill Bolloten's avatar

It's interesting that many of the big 'mainstream' Rioja producers have dialled down the oak in their crianzas. I am speaking of Cune and Ramón Bilbao in particular. As you write, oak ageing will always have a role to play but the most interesting wines in Spain these days are aiming for purity and terroir expression. Great to hear about the new podcast! I am also very happy to have a 2019 of that Domaine des Forges “Clos du Papillon” 2023, Savennières in my cellar.

David Mastro Scheidt's avatar

The marketing angle alone of "each individual oak barrel is tasted by our winemaker for our Special Select/Reserve/Blah Blah" isn't going away anytime soon. No one says the winemaker selected this reserve wine out of one of four of our 10,000 gallon concrete tanks. Where's the romance? The story telling? There will always be a use for some specialized and expensive oak or other vessel, amphora for instance.

From a practical, cellar pov, I bring small lots of wine in from various vineyards, as small as one ton. After pressing and racking, that will likely (hopefully) fill 2 - 225L barrels. Those two barrels are specific to one place and one grape. I wouldn't think of mixing that 500L with any other lot I bring in. I'm not putting it in stainless barrels or amphora or plastic.

Another cellar practical, I crush my grapes at a small winery that has similar needs to my own. We have large stainless steel fermenters, which can be used for aging, but their effectiveness, with regular gasing and SO2 isn't the same as oak. The wine comes out different. We all use 225L because the racks and spacing in the cellar are fitted for it. Bring in 500L and storage gets thrown off. Bring in foudres and now we have huge spacing concerns (and potentially a Brett manufacturing plant).

Stainless items break less, if at all. Concrete eggs, Foudres, Amphora have a lot of downside and expense. And not everyone who drives a forklift is an expert. Also, we have huge issues with beetles in Sonoma County, they love wood so we have to have special humidifiers in the cellar to keep them controlled, along with inspections. Foudres would have to be kept in a controlled environment.

Just a few items from an American winemaker in Sonoma County.

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